Ep reaction: SPN 11x18

[vyperdd]

Well not a lot to say about this one. Any ep having the misfortune and pure bad luck to follow the last 2 amazing, brilliant and unforgettable eps was always going to struggle and this one did.... big time.


I did love seeing Mark Pellegrino again. He, along with Jared, will always be my favourite "Lucifer" so that was awesome. Hope he returns again when they finally get Lucifer out of Cas.

I smiled when I saw Rowena. She grew a lot on me during the second half of season 10 and early s11 and I was kinda bummed when she was 'killed" so I'm glad that she had the foresight to protect herself.

The heaven scenes were okay if a little drawn out. I did wonder what that first angel we saw was doing with that gadget pressed up against the doors? Was he just checking on the soul inside or extracting it? and I admit I also got just a little bit excited in thinking that maybe we were going to see Bobby again or at least find out what's happened since "Inside Man".

As usual I really liked the Sam/Dean/Crowley scenes. J2 and Mark have such great chemistry and work so well together that it's always a joy to watch them and their characters interact.

And Sam and Dean's discussion about getting Lucifer out of Cas and into a new vessel was really interesting and clearly showed their differing POV's.

Dean: After we exorcize him out of Cas and put him into a new vessel.
Sam: What? Really?
Dean: Yes. Really. We're not going to send Lucifer into battle inside Cas. What if he doesn't make it?
Sam: Dean, it's a strong vessel. It's held Cas for years and we know what he's been through. I'm guessing it can hold Lucifer.
Dean: It? *sounds really offended* It's not an it, Sam. It's Cas.
Sam: And Cas wanted to do this.
Dean: Yeah, well there's times I wanna get slapped during sex by a girl wearing a Zorro mask but I don't make it a good idea. **love the quick cut away to Crowley's reaction to this**
Sam: Dean, this is exactly how we screw ourselves. We make the heart choice instead of the smart choice. *god, I love the phrasing here, 'heart choice' just delicious*
Dean: Oh, okay. Thank you Dr Phil. Cas is family.
Sam: Yes and his choice deserves to be respected. *I agree 1000% with Sam. How many times has Sam made a choice for himself only to have it ignored and over-ridden (usually by Dean) I'm clearly thinking of his non-con possession by Gadreel and Dean's starring role in that. So I love that Sam is so willing and determined to support Cas's right to decide for himself what happens to him and to choose what he does, something that Sam has so often been denied*
Dean: Even if it kills him? *and I wonder if even Dean is thinking of the Gadreel thing too, except getting an angel out rather than letting one in as he did to Sam.*

Also loved this conversation:
Sam: Listen. Um, I know I came down on the side of wanting Cas to deal with Amara, so-
Dean: Well, that's what he wanted though, right? Besides didn't we say we're gonna swear off getting in the way when one person makes a choice the other didn't agree with?
Sam: Yeah, um. Yeah, we did say that.
Dean: So.
Sam: Okay. So, that's our policy.
*So I guess this was another off-screen agreement (like the one about not looking or trying to get each other back when one of them dies) that will come back to bite them both in the ass??
Dean: Which Sounds damn good. Well, Let's go find that idiot and bring him home.

Wonder how long Dean will adhere to that when it's Sam making a choice Dean doesn't agree with? About a split-second, I reckon, given past experience.

But aside from those few highlights, there was far too little Sam and Dean and Sam in particular, even when he was on screen didn't seem to have much to do. I did love him exorcizing Crowley out of Casifer... will always love hearing Jared speak Latin but that seemed to be all he did.

I know J2 need and deserve the time off, but please when they are on screen let them be doing stuff that matters, let them still be the stars and not just as almost extras on their own show.

Comments

[katwoman76.livejournal.com]

There is one other thing that bugs me about the "find another vessel" line. Not just does Dean dismiss Cas'choice and his willing sacrifice, but he expects some clueless other human to take the possible fall instead as if that other unknown person/vessel matters less. A recurring theme in a way.

Anonymous vessel?

[lori doria (from livejournal.com)]

I hate to say it, but...it won't surprise me if Dean gives up his own vessel to save Cas from Lucifer and Amara.

RE: Anonymous vessel?

[vyperdd.livejournal.com]

I really, really really hope that DOES NOT happen. DO NOT WANT AT ALL, NO WAY NO HOW!!!!

[vyperdd.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's just another thing that annoyed me about this ep. I put it down to plain bad writing.

[manic-padagirl.livejournal.com]

Well, I will do this comment short. I have enjoyed the episode. It was great to see Ruthie again. I like to hate that character. I also did not like seeing her dead. But I knew, since no one really dies in the show, that she would come back at some point. I am like you for Lucifer. Samifer is better than Casifer. No offense to Misha. I think that the only thing that I was rather very disappointed in tonight's episode was the lack of lines that Sam had. How about you?

[vyperdd.livejournal.com]

Yeah, even with both J2 on screen, Dean still had most of the lines.

Was thinking about it though and after the sheer brutalness and intensity Jared went through filming Red Meat, that he was probably happy and relieved to have not much to do during this one.

But still I watch SPN for Sam and Dean. That's who I want to see and hear, that's where I want the focus to be.

[madebyme-x.livejournal.com]

After the sheer joy of the last 2 episode, I was prepared to not like this as much, and while it wasn't a wonderful episode, it wasn't all bad either, and I actually enjoyed it.

I wanted to get back to the myth arc, I wanted to know what Amara was doing, what she planning, and I think the whole story-line needed moving on a bit, which it did, and quickly, we covered a lot of ground and I'd rather they did that then drag it out little by little!!!

A few missteps (Lucifer being the first son? A death curing scar?) but I liked that we made progress, that it complicated the myth arc, and that I truly don't know where we're heading. But yes, more Winchester's (SAM!!) please. Take care :)

[vyperdd.livejournal.com]

I agree. I wanted the same things, esp with regards to Amara but they did it in such a clunky, confusing way and yeah, don't get me started on the fail that was Lucifer is now God's 1st born and the manner by which Rowena was able to survive being killed by Lucifer himself!!!

Thanks. You too!! I am loving this season and the excitement of having no idea of where they are going or what the final few eps are going to involve and I LOVE IT!!!